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Emails received during Aug-Sept 2001 Hello Hank! I want to give an advice to the wankers worldwide how i can improve my potence. I did it so many times and i am convinced of its effect . I often make a tomatoe soup with a lot of onions and garlic. I take a tomatoe instant soup , add some fresh tomatoes and cook it , before it is finished i add 5 or 6 minced cloves of garlic and an onion to the cooking soup. The effect is very amazing .I am very horny after eating the soup and i can jerk off consecutively , 3 or 4 times and i shot more sperm than usual. The soup itself is very good for the health and much cheaper than viagra. I am 28 and perhaps a little too young for this community. But nonetheless. I am interrested in the membership and i want to send you the required fee for one year as cash in an envelope. Hank: I would guess that with so much garlic - private masturbation is pretty much assured. We'll try your recipe and let you know. Read this about tomatoes ![]() HI GUYS I like driving my car on hot sunny days around my local area. Wearing only my tight vest and nothing else. I cover my cock in baby oil and drive and wank at the same time. Watching girl's go past whilst wanking is extremely satisfying. I normally have a couple of porn mags on the passenger seat. I often spend hours doing this. I was at the traffic lights once a gorgeous women pulls up in a jeep and catches me pulling my cock, I kept doing it until I shot she saw, she did the wanker hand signal at disgust. Does anyone else out there do this?. Ed: At a guess I'd say most women would. ![]() Iam 74 yrs old and I'm using a process called "Jelqing, and stretching (pulling) the dick, on a regular routine! Will I get larger doing this? Or am I wasting my time? It seems that I am larger and longer! I am 5in. hard, and after a month of this, I am almost 6in. Please send an answer if you have any. Thanks. Ed: I would guess that pulling and stretching it will make it longer, but after 60 odd years of wanking it the way it is - why make it longer now? It's how much fun you have with it that counts - not how long it is. ![]() Hank Found your site after I lost my wife. Although my wife gave up having sex, for over ten years prior to her death,I wanked on a regular basis. I started when I was 9 years old, and did it every place imaginable. Even when I was caught a few times I didn't quit. I used to run around in the woods naked and wank all the time. When I was in my teens and was caught by a friend of mine, he joined in. Soon there were other friend's who joined in and we did it quite often together. We did it in school, behind the school and even in the farmers field of corn. I went with a lot of girls in high school but didn't know anything about sex, I was only interested in cars and hot rodding. I drove and wanked at the same time, for hours on long trips. I was a virgin when I got married at 20. After I lost my wife of 40 years, my wanking was more often, and longer. I am over 8" uncut. I am not gay and when I remarried I stopped wanking as my new wife, 10 years younger,has taken care of all my need's any time the pole rises. Although I am tempted even now as I write this, I know that when she gets home from work, she will satisfy me to no end. I was ignorent to a lot of things as far as sex was concerened until I started to explore the internet, I found out what sex was all about and have a great sex life. I will never regret my wanking days. My wife tells me to wank whenever I feel the urge and she is working,but she is so good to me I save all of it for her and her only. We masterbate each other and it is great. She has no hang ups about good sex. I have fond memories of my wanking days and all the places I did it. I think now what might of happened if I was caught in some of the places I did it and a smile comes to my face, If people had only known what I was doing at the time they would have a fit. I enjoy reading your letters to the editor and hope to see mine there. Keep wanking men it is safe sex at it's best,because with all the Aids and other stuff out there, you know where you where yours has been,so keep it UP.. Hank: Great to hear that you are having a happy sex life. Wanking has its times and places but it can be lots of fun with a partner too! ![]() How do I submit a personal ad in the "Personals" section? Ed: just send it in and say it is a personal ad for posting. ![]() Hank I am 57 year old and have been wanking since I was about 8 years old. I love to wank and when younger would wank 2-3 times a day to climax but now it goes in cycles. 3-4 times a week. I remember the first time I shot cum after a wank - I thought I was dying or something and I was really scared! Thanks for the opportunity to tell my story John Hank: Thanks for the opportunity to post it. ![]() I have always wanted to try something called a buttplug. Do you know where I can find a non-toxic one? thank you to answer Ed: You can try here Adulttoys ![]() hi i wrote you an e-mail sometime in June i think, but cannot find my wanking letter on your website!! Why? Rajesh! Ed: Not all email gets posted here. If it is too explicit it may be in the restricted area ![]() Hi, could you tell me more about whats inside if I join? Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Ed: I have a question about membership before I send the $25 along with a letter such as this. I am straight, 63, live naked at home, am married, but masturbate almost every day as well as have intercourse regularly. Before I join, I'm wondering if the site has women over 50 who actively masturbate and/or cyber mutual masturbate with some of the straight men or other straight men who just like to commune with kindred spirits who also love to masturbate. Ed: The members of the website are pretty much cover the 'sexual types and tastes' landscape. A goodly number are retired older married men with adult children and grandchildren, some have fantasies about other men, altho' many confess to never or only once or twice doing it. Most have straight or bi tastes. Some younger members are looking for older daddies. A handful of our members are women of assorted ages. A few are twinks grown older. Everything goes, altho' we shy away from youth. We post all members contributions of pix and stories and personal ads. You also get free access to Diddlers Over 40 which is updated 4 times a year and access to the Oldsexuals Message Board Inside are a mix of monthly up-dates of members pix and some chosen models in both male and female galleries. Some are young and pretty others are skinny or fat. old and even older. There's usually something for every taste. ![]() Can you accept PayPal? Ed: Currently, no. ![]() Dear Wankers,etc. Like so many of your members, I'm a committed wanker. I'm 71, straight, have been married for almost 50 years, and am a long way from impotent. However, my dear wife, with whom I'm still deeply in love, has lost all personal interest in sex. She too is 71, and she'll have sex with me if I push it, but she's really just performing an act of charity rather than doing something that she really wants to do. I don't like being on this particular dole, and I certainly don't want to mess up our relationship, so I've simply stopped asking and instead enjoy having sex with myself. It's a little lonesome at times, but is certainly less complicated than any other arrangement I can imagine. Incidentally, my erect, circumcised penis is about 6". and I masturbate almost every day. I'd love to become a member of Wankers over 50, but my wife would never understand why I would spend money to read about masturbation, a practice which she considers to be tantamount to perversion. Alas, since I've been retired, we share the same credit cards and bank accounts, and she knows exactly where every penny goes. I do enjoy one-handed websurfing, and I have a very vivid imagination, so there is no paucity of masturbatory imagery upon which I can call. Most of these images are of women, but recently the thought of watching a man masturbating has been quite exciting. I'm sure that your members thoroughly enjoy your website. It certainly serves a real need, and I wish you the very best of success with it! Hank: Thanks for writing. Your situation is probably the norm for long time married senior men. Okay, as long as it's enough - if not - join secretly with cash.... CLICK HERE also for ..... Can you advise me on a way of paying for membership of your private area? I live in England, have no credit card and do not subscribe to age verification services. I am hoping to join using "snail mail". Please let me know if this is possible. My partner (54) and I (40) both enjoy masturbation. We regard it as a special part of our sexuality where we can each fantasize yet remain faithful to each other. Regards ![]() Hi, I am sixty years old and uncut. I have been wanking for as long as I can remember and I average about three sessions per week. I like to watch myself in a full length mirror while I am jacking off. I am also into ball stretching and feel that low hangers are a great way to increase the pleasure of wanking.I love to see and feel my balls flying as my stroke speed increases. I would strongly recommend that all wankers should stretch their nut-sacs for maximum satisfaction. (there is also the added advantage that stretching your balls gives you a good hard-on). Regards Pete Ed: Thanks for the input Pete. Haven't got into that but any readers into ball-stretching and its effects on hard-ons, let us know. ![]() Hank... I'm new to the site, but plan to join ASAP. I am the oldest of three brothers. When we were young we slept together, and some of the most fun times we had was masterbating under the sheets with a flashlight. We couldn't understand why rubbing the head of our penises felt so good. That was before we even produced semen...I must have been about 10. But I've been doing it off and on for my entire life since, and enjoying it intensely. Most of the time, however, I've felt guilty because of my religious upbringing and two wives who felt cheated if I wasn't giving them my all. I am still married at 63 and JO about twice a week as part of a sexual workout to maintain my manhood. My wife detests the practice, even though my urologist told her it's quite normal. Because of a number of issues relating to her attempt at dominance and her off-hand stupid comments during love making, ("Have you been shaving your balls again? Why do you do that?) .. I am now experiencing impotence. She has finally gotten to my subconsious, and to my pecker! This is why I do a routine of exercise and supplements to try to bring back the good old days with hard erections. In the past year I had my penis circumcised because of cracking of the foreskin during sex. I resisted for a long time, but finally went for the "big change." I'm not sorry I did, because I still have enough foreskin (not a very high circ) to make penile exercises very enjoyable even without lube. I have been doing vacuum therapy (which is a great pre-JO prep because it's so nice to see it bigger than normal. It's a terriffic turn-on for me to see it big and red and ready! I'm about 6.5 inches erect but about 7.5 inches in the vacuum tube. After a few minutes of jelqing, I do about 30 minutes in the vacuum tube. By that time it's really swollen, and a good erection is assured. I enjoy some good pussy photos during this time to help motivate blood circulation in both cock and brain. I usually follow with some ball-pulling in the vacuum tube to help blood circulation. By that time, it's ready to explode, and does after a good massage with skin cream. I am very much interested in rebuilding my erectile function, as I do enjoy muff diving! I have used viagra with good success. Viagra has been limited mainly because my wife still thinks it should all be very natural and spontaneous, and has a problem with the use of the vacuum or viagra ahead of love-making. I am still trying to take care of myself, even when I can't "service" her properly, and I do enjoy my solo time very much. I hope I don't go to hell for it. Hank: Thanks for so much detail, very interesting and great reading for many older men. You won't go to hell but I wouldn't bet on that wife of yours! Your complete story is posted here in its entirety. We decided that altho' it is explicit and should really be posted in the restricted section, it's honest and open telling deserves the readership of all wankers. ![]() Started wankin real young an don't intend to quit. I'm near 70/ Al Hank: Good for you - and don't ever quit! ![]() What is the difference between eggs and wanking? You can beat an egg but you cant beat wanking Keep on spurting Regards Spurter Ed: haha ![]() I still do - at age 72. Ed:Keep it up gramps. ![]() Hi Hank; First let me tell you how much I enjoy your website. I'm 69 y/o, have been wanking 56 of those years. I have come upon a problem, maybe you can help. Last week my grandson (a computer "bug") was using this computer, and somehow was Abel to get into the hard-drive without getting into my private email address. It seems that any downloads are on the drive. All the PICS, etc., were there for him to view. I was lucky that I was there and stopped him after the first PICS he brought up. ( it was the one of the rather heavy gal on all fours). Next time I may not be here to stop him. He explained that there is a way to "CLEAN UP" the hard drive and did it for me, without telling me how. Do you know to do this? or find out to do it. I'm sure other wankers are not aware that all downloads remain on the hard drive until removed, Grandpa Hank: OOPS! How you 'clean' up a computer depends on the computer you are using. However generally speaking, pull down all the menus on your browser until you find tools or options that allow you to delete unnecessary files and clear your history and temporary internet files. This still does not completely 'clean up' but does help. There are several types of software that will assist you in 'covering' your tracks. one is called Evidence Eliminator and you can find it here. ![]() Does women ever read or write letters ro this web site any more? I joined in april this year and the letters and the piks really tun me on be that it may of men or what but the thing from women is the best. I really like it when they play wirh their pussy.the pussy is the most beautiful thing of a woman--fat or skinney---I love to look at it and jack off. And please tell me if "Donna" in "Jan. 2000" has anymore pictures. I really think think this is the best cause, we can tell it like ir is. "A jack off person " from way back"---------------73 years old Ed: There are a few gals of various ages and types. We'll ask Donna to show herself again. ![]() Hello Hank. My granddad and I often read the letters to the editor and your answers and like it very well. Granddad is 75 and love wanking, and I do it for him.We are both in the nude and he loves watching my 13 years old c**t when I jerk him off. We are not f**king but I hope he will penetrate me on a sunny day!His penis is big and hard and he has told me he has had it into 44 different c**ts through his lifetime. Not bad. I am so horny I hope to be no. 45. Love from Jane. Hank: Hope they were of legal age. ![]() I am a white, 65 yo, married, male with a little more than 6 inches uncut. I started jacking off when I was 13. Our neighbors had a son that was 14, at the time, and we would "play" with each other to see how long we could last before we made each other "shoot their wad". His 13 yo sister would sometimes watch. I found this very exciting. He had a larger one than mine and had been circumcised. I remember both he and his sister liked watching the foreskin slid back and forth over the head and would play with it for long periods of time. Not that I complained. His was the first and only one that I have had the pleasure of sucking. We found out how good it felt and would stimulate each other orally. I was never able to get his sister to do oral but enjoyed her hand on me quite often. This lasted for one summer until they moved to another location. There were other boys that I grew up with that liked to jack off and we would sometimes have jack off sessions to see who could shoot the furthest. I have continued to indulge in self pleasure throughout my life and at age 25 was married to a beautiful woman that enjoyed masturbation,it became,and is to this day, a regular part of our love making. Even today, after 40 years of marriage and two sons, I find or take time for self pleasure. I enjoy reading the letters and like hearing about others experiences. Don Ed: Thanks for adding your story here. ![]() Dear Sirs, I am a 68 year old, small, bald, man with a small 12cm cock that has been cut (late in life),very fair with maize coloured pubes, married 42 years who still likes wanking and has felt somewhat guilty about until I found your site. Your site has lifted a whole load of guilt shit from my shoulders because I now know that there are thousands of other men like me out there wanking, who are not totally gay, and who would like to share experiences and perhaps wank with another man. As for my circumcision late in life, well I may have already told you a little about that, but if I didn't then it is simple. I had the foreskin "stretched" with an inserted mechanical device as a baby, having had troubles with my little cock getting sand in it when playing in the sand on the beach. The very old French Canadian Doctor in the rural part of Australia where I was born, was against circumcision as he believed that the farmers (who usually did not wear underpants) would loose sensivity in their cocks, if the exposed head was roughened by the coarse pants they wore. The result was that the loose foreskin became so "loose", in mid life it would catch all the long pubic hairs, especially when I wore Jockey (V) style underdacks. (Some of my golden coloured pubic hair even at my age of 68 is in excess of 10cm long.) Eventually in the hot, humid Australian Summers the foreskin would become very red and sore and I was always "making myself comfortable" so as to put it; which was not only embarrassing for me but for any who might notice. So after a lot of "consultation" with several doctors, (none of whom seemed to grasp the reality of the occasion, or my difficulty) one suggested that a minor circumcision operation would solve the problem. So at 48 (or there abouts) I went into the hospital with it and came out without it. And the result was one hell of a lot more comfortable. I am not able to recall if sex was better with it or less intense without it. But I can say that in the very hot humid weather I am more comfortable and I do not have that "odor" which becomes noticeable even to me when the day was over. However I have had other problems in the genital area over time. When I was 33 I was having a shower and as I was soaping my balls, I noticed the left one was very sensitive. What happened was that in a few weeks I suddenly developed a cyst (the size of a large gree pea) on the left ball. It quickly became very painful so my wife chooffed me off to the doctor (her uncle) who immediately sent me to a specialist who in a matter of minutes pronounced that I had a "tumor on the testicle" and it would need to be removed immediately. More devastatiing was his pronouncement that he would have to remove the entire ball as in his experience such tumors there were malignant and the patient waqs dead in a matter of week after the operation. He told me that malignant tumors on the balls were a death knell to the patient as from the balls, cancer spreads rapidly. Well that was a day to remember. However I dug my toes in and told them that i would wait on the table until the biopsy was completed and that I would agree to the removal of the ball only if it was clearly malignant. To cut a long story short I am still here. Then in 1970 the better half was told "no more kids" so I was sent off for a vasectomy. However again this became a traumer. Though I watched the surgeon do this and all seemed ok, somehow it resulted in me not being able to cut off the piss when I had one and to dribble and to sometimes have difficulty in starting. So I was sent off to the doctors again by the "better half". After lots of discussions and consultations, (all costing many dollars) it was recommended that I have TUR immediately (the doctors assuring me that it would in no way impair my sex life. Well the bastards not only lied but later admitted that in giving me an epidural( I think that is the correct spelling) they accidentally punctured my spine cord which meant that I lose a great percentage feeling in the genital area. I also then had difficulty with erections, so you imagine feeling horney with a wife that expected me to perform(then but not now)and not being able to get it hard as I would have liked. Well all that is past. Now in my post retirement age I still get horney. The better half is only semi interested now, says that if I give up work we could not live in the same house together as it would interfere with her lifestyle. I can of course live in the study and the back bedroom if I like. So you can see that wanking is not only an alternative, but a necessity and I love it. So as I became computer literate and discovered the net, I found your site and it somehow clicked with me. I suppose more so because about four years ago I met a man some 22 years younger than me through work and we became good friends. He had had a bad marriage and went back to his own country for personal reasons (he says he may return here) and he confided once to me that he watched hetrosexual videos and wanked. So I thought about that and soon began to do likewise with the internet. In one letter he wrote me saying that he often thought about me while wanking, so I made a note of that and in my imagination did likewise and found that I got a lot of satisfaction from that. Then by chance I had to go overseas on a business trip and visited him. He lives alone. I was very surprised when I got there to see him wet eyed at meeting me again and when home at his intimacy in being quite freely naked with me. He invited me to watch a movie and wank which I did. It was just bloody wonderful. I could not believe it and when he wanked me a little and I did him, I can say now the feeling was beyond anything I had ever expected. What is more when I saw him come and the cum squirted every where I came immediately. When we did it together next time I had already thought about giving his cock a suck (he has only a small cock - smaller than mine) but I really didn't quite know if I could bring myself to do it or if I could like it. Well I did go down on him and when he came I found myself in heaven. His cum was very sweet and I swallowed it and his moans and groans of pleasure made me feel better than I have ever felt in any sex at any time in my life. Well we did it several times more and the last time was the best, for he stood up and I opened my mouth and he put his hand on my shoulder and I took his cum as he orgasmed and it now I can say that this sex was the better than nay I have experienced in 68 years. So here I am trying to join you as I love wanking but now realise that I have experienced sex in a way that I had never had it before and in a way that I would never have thought of doing it ever. So all I can say is that I have changed a hell of a lot in a few years. I have found that I enjoy that which I believed was abnormal and found it to be quite normal and more delicious than hetrosexual sex. I am telling you this because I had mentioned the bit about guilt. YOur site has removed the guilt from my shoulders and now that I know there are so many others who wank I am content. However I am not so sure about the sex with another man. DO I like it more because it is more pleasant or am I just going gay in my old age. I wonder. So please let me know the steps to join. YOu have my permission to publish anything of the above in what eer way you feel your readers might like to read it. So long as it remains anonymous. Later if I have sufficient courage I might try to find someone who has had similar experience with man and man sex at so late in life. I have a feeling that there are others and that in hearing about them I would be able to wank with greater enjoyment. I don't know. Only time will tell. Look forward to hearing from you. Ed: (note: member has joined) Thanks for the letter. Quite the ordeal with the doctors. I admire your courage. I could never face up to such operations, just the thought of it gives me the willies. Many other readers are questioning their orientation as they reach their senior years. As men past 50 the more involved they are with their peckers, unfortunately many wives tend to stop or show little interest and for hubby sex becomes a solo pasttime. Many men have had some sort of sex with another boy(s)as a lad, and it was usually quite memorable but no big deal and not usually thought of again until later in life after marriage becomes just two people living together. Men tend not to look for relationships, just meetings. This makes a male sex partner less of a hassle and more justifiable. Here's one way of putting it:... With a man you can have football on the TV during sex and talk about football before and immediately after sex... try that with a woman! Guilt is imposed upon us by our upbringing. It is fed by the rules of those around us and in whose society we wish to live as we go thru life. Suddenly, in the last few years society has lowered the rules on almost everything we see in the world. It would seem that anything goes. We believe that as long as we don't intentionally hurt anyone and no one intentionally hurts us, then anything goes. (but keep it quiet!) ![]() My name is james I am 16 years of age and I am currently having a bit of trouble jacking off. The problem is.. I just cant seem to get it up.. Whats sort of methods are available for people in my situation? Thanks for yor help. James :) Ed: Welllll letsee... it could be a phase - all kids go thru phases. Could be you are not stimulated/ Look at some nude pix and play with yourself if no hardon after a few minutes, maybe it's something to ask a doctor about. And don't be shy, a doctor is the right one to ask. Have a long talk with your grandfather or/and your father. Some drugs/medication may cause problems. Eat heathly foods and make sure that you have no pressing social problems. It's probably just a temporary thing but if it is a real concern then seek advice from a doctor or/and a male relative. It's none of my business but if any reader can't decide to join this site or not. JUST DO IT - you won't be sorry. I sent in the $25.00 cash last Weds - from Houston, Texas USA,- to Canada and one week later I'm IN! And it is hot. The guy next door or in the office - guys who are tired of hiding and are glad to share very personal sides of themselves (no pun intended) - that very few people if any get to see. I have wanked three times since logging on this morning. - I'm 53 yrs and been wanking every day for 40 yrs. It's a REAL turn-on that these men are comfortable knowing strangers may be getting off to them. Hopefully that's the case - cause I plan on emailing a few members with my appreciation. I hope they won't be offened. That's why they call it gambling? I have to say I've read many of the letters and answers: I am always impressed with your professionalism - mixed with sincere kindness, generous advice and open-minded good humor. You guys filled a big whole in my life - Thanks ever so.... Ken Ed: Thanks for such a complimentry letter, it's a pleasure to serve you. ![]() I stumbled on your site a few days ago and as you indicated - I feel like I'm coming home. I have been reading the letters to the editor slowly (to make them last til my membership is processed). My excitement and arousal have increased by the day just imagining that so many males are wanking themselves right along with me, whenever that may be. I've gone from my twice daily minimum to five times minimum. My foreskin is beginning to swell a little but that's normal for my extended sessions. I may be worn out by the time I can get to the good stuff inside the members area. I am particularily in tune with randy mature males - straight or gay is irrelevant - just men enjoying their most private and natural playtime. I didn't expect to be so turned on by stories of first times and other details but I've exploded many times while reading the letters. I am ragin' to get into the site and see the pics of real men wanking - the guys next door who are not only proud and willing to share - but also know that some of their brothers and sisters are getting off to them. I'm imagining some guy reading these pages like I am - pulling on his foreskin and scrotum; making the foreplay last a long time. TOO HOT - I'm heading back to the letters - "HANK" I like you for this - thanks a LOT!!! Hank: Yep, we sure have a lot of dirty old men cummin' here often! ![]() I just posted a letter in the "men and womens" sections. I or we are fairley new to this web site and we really like to read and look at the beautiful dicks and pussys. I am 71 and my wife is 55 and we like to talk and do just about everything with the exception of haveing a threesome or whatever, we talk about it and j/o thinking about it. My question--we have written several letters to the ladys and men about our exployts but no answers--are they waisting their time my time and or they blowing smoke up our ass? Come on women do you have something to share or not? Ed: Keep posting your ad someone will eventually answer I'm sure. ![]() Really enjoy Wankers but find many would like return pics. I would very much like to comply but have little computer skill or language. Is there a site where you can learn (in real English) what to buy-how to set-up-transfer-emial, etc? OR maybe a kind fellow member could explain? I have a feeling it's not easy for Dumbies... Great site - Thanks... Ed: Go to a computer store and ask for an inexpensive digital camera. Read the manual, take some pix, transfer them to your computer and when you write your email look for a way to 'attach' the pix as a file. Any small computer store will have someone who will be happy to show you how if you buy from them. Stay away from big retailers until you know what you are buying. ![]() i am a total dead beat dad. i left my wife and kids for a bit of skirt, not just once, but FOUR times. i do not see my kids now or send maintenance to them. i never make any effort at all to see them. i am wrapped up in my own little world and nobody likes me. my ex-wife says im a loser and my 12 yr old son calls me a toss pot!! do you think i am? my 4 yr old daughter hardly even remembers me or my family too. the c.s.a cant get me cos im too clever for them!! SUCKERS!! I REALLY AM A DEAD BEAT DAD!! S R Ed: You said it chum! You sound like a waste of time and space. ![]() Hi im 15 i have only recently seen ur site and thought what a great idea. I honestly have a wank every day and manage to cum everyday as well. But when i do finally cum i get a great sensation in my penis and i find it hard to keep cuming have u got any tips to help me cum 4 a lot longer. Cheers Ed: Just practice, practice makes perfect. ![]() ![]()
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